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Message de tomtom1001 posté le 30-01-2009 à 23:14:02 (S | E | F)
hello,
I'm writing in here because I've seen some strange endings in the end of some ordinary words...
Indeed, I was able to read for example "I asketh", "You art'... and so on. And I deduced they were the verbs "to ask" (or "to be") which were conjugated in present, preterit or in another tense.
But I don't really know. Thus if someone could help me to better understand why they used these grammar forms, what they are, and especially when WE can use them by ourselves (if it's possible), I would be grateful for you!!
If you want the context, it was in a heroic-fantasy video game when a girl must conclude a pact with a God:
"I am Sheena [her name]. I asketh that thou annulst thy pact with Mithos [another name], and you conclude a new pact with me"
I know that "thou" = you (tu), "thy" = your, and "thee" = you (te), but here too I don't know where they come from and if I can use them!?!?!
Besides, if you could put some other original words, it would be nice from you, otherwive it doesn't matter, it's just curiosity.
Thanks in advance for your answers... Thom
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Modifié par bridg le 30-01-2009 23:16
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Message de tomtom1001 posté le 30-01-2009 à 23:14:02 (S | E | F)
hello,
I'm writing in here because I've seen some strange endings in the end of some ordinary words...
Indeed, I was able to read for example "I asketh", "You art'... and so on. And I deduced they were the verbs "to ask" (or "to be") which were conjugated in present, preterit or in another tense.
But I don't really know. Thus if someone could help me to better understand why they used these grammar forms, what they are, and especially when WE can use them by ourselves (if it's possible), I would be grateful for you!!
If you want the context, it was in a heroic-fantasy video game when a girl must conclude a pact with a God:
"I am Sheena [her name]. I asketh that thou annulst thy pact with Mithos [another name], and you conclude a new pact with me"
I know that "thou" = you (tu), "thy" = your, and "thee" = you (te), but here too I don't know where they come from and if I can use them!?!?!
Besides, if you could put some other original words, it would be nice from you, otherwive it doesn't matter, it's just curiosity.
Thanks in advance for your answers... Thom
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Modifié par bridg le 30-01-2009 23:16
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Réponse: Étrange terminaison de brettdallen, postée le 31-01-2009 à 00:04:21 (S | E)
Bonsoir,
Les formes que vous avez rencontrées sont tout à fait correctes, ou plutôt.. l'étaient.. Le genre heroic fantasy emprunte sans doute au moyen-anglais ou à l'anglais moderne naissant(=transitoire) afin de situer clairement l'action dans une autre période. L'artifice est plutôt intéressant car non seulement les événements et personnages sont d'un autre monde(imaginaire, surnaturel)), mais la langue elle même(proche, mais datée) participe à la création de cet univers(grandiose, sacré, ancestrale, divin)..
Le procédé ne pourrait être aussi évident qu'en procédant par la l'absurde: remplacez la langue de ce genre de texte par celle d'un jeune banlieusard britannique des années 2000 et vous comprendrez l'importance du choix opéré!
La langue en question, apparentée à de l'anglais, a ses particularités(trop nombreuses pour en faire la liste), en particulier en ce qui concerne certains pronoms(thee, thy, thou), mine(pour "my"), des désinences verbales récurrentes(-st, -th)(au présent!) et de nombreuses différences lexicales..
Cette langue anglaise en gestation a été utilisée, sans être trop précis, du 11ème siècle à la moitié du 17ème siècle, mais si nous parlons de l'anglais moderne naissant, considérez la deuxième moitié de cette période..
Je vous conseille d'aller faire vos recherches, vous pourrez ainsi non seulement déchiffrer vos textes favoris mais également l'œuvre de Shakespeare et de ses contemporains!
Cordialement.
Réponse: Étrange terminaison de TravisKidd, postée le 31-01-2009 à 04:04:14 (S | E)
In fact, I believe that "I asketh" is incorrect, since the -eth ending is reserved for the third person singular form of the verb. (However, I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong.)
Réponse: Étrange terminaison de marieange, postée le 31-01-2009 à 15:36:14 (S | E)
Hello! This is Early Modern English.You don't have to use these ancient (archaic) forms. Most modern English speakers encounter "thou" only in the works of Shakespeare.
Typical examples of the standard present and past tense forms follow.
to know: thou knowest, thou knewest
to drive: thou drivest, thou drovest
to make: thou makest, thou madest
to love: thou lovest, thou lovedest
A few verbs have irregular thou forms:
to be: thou art (or thou beest), thou wast (or thou wert; originally thou were)
to have: thou hast, thou hadst
to do: thou dost /dʌst/ (or thou doest, in non-auxiliary use) and thou didst
shall: thou shalt
will: thou wilt
Réponse: Étrange terminaison de tomtom1001, postée le 01-02-2009 à 12:12:03 (S | E)
Oohhh thank you so much for all your answers...!!
It will really help me... thanks!!
